I’m not going to reblog that post about jumping 4 year olds bc I disagree and don’t want to start something, but I just thought I would say that a large number of thoroughbreds are done growing by 4 and tbh I have no problem with introducing them to jumping and low level eventing…
I posted that bc I really didn’t want to start an argument, and if the vertebrae are the only thing not fused by four then you arguably shouldn’t be riding by four either. I probably won’t respond after this tbh bc I’m in way too good of a mood to argue today. And yes, there is a rush but telling my opinion on that would make me seem like a greedy heartless bitch so
not arguing, stating facts. yes the spine is the last to fuse which is why you really shouldn’t be doing anything extraneous with them until it is. such as jumping. jumping consistently. with a rider landing on their poor unfused spine. the post with tamarack they really only walked the horse for a full year up and down hills and on different terrain and you can see he’s getting muscle just from that. thats such a good foundation that is going to benefit him later when he’s going to be asked to carry a rider over jumps. don’t be greedy with your horses, there really isn’t a rush.
"doesn’t make it ok" friend, that’s an argument. An opinion based thing. I personally think it’s ok when it’s done right. There we go. I know the facts, I know the information that’s out there, however I still disagree with you. And don’t call me greedy, that’s uncalled for.
you basically said it yourself that you know it’s wrong on them but there is a rush so do it anyways. it is greedy to push horses like that when they’re young because the only benefit is humans making money there is no benefit for the horse. what do they get out of it? a pain ful early retirement where they either become a pasture pet or the unlucky ones who get sent to slaughter because they’re gelded and can’t be used for breeding.
I don’t know about you, but I have never “made money” off my horse. maybe a little prize money here and there, but no where’s near enough to matter.
if I had to guess, 95% of us DO NOT make money off our horses, only the :”lucky” 5% do, and many of those methods are very controversial
then don’t push them to jump full courses their unfused spines can’t handle before five.
"it’s ok when it’s done right." Stop putting words in my mouth, i never said i thought it was wrong. It is a matter of opinion, believe it or not. You can always present facts but it doesn’t make something right or wrong.
but it’s not right. there isn’t a right way to do that. not putting words in your mouth i’m literally just interpreting what you’re writing and you’re saying you’re ok with starting horses super young over fences when their bodies will show the results earlier than if they were actually started correctly. that is legit what you are saying.
Where did I say that their bodies will Show effects of starting them earlier
Right and wrong is not a black and white thing take a philosophy class or something jfc
The fact is that biomechanically they are not ready to start jumping until they are 5-6. Science has proven that. The way their joints fuse does not change.
Choosing to ignore the facts presented to you in order to achieve your own goals is just that, a choice.
What’s being presented isn’t an opinion or an argument, but rather, it’s fact that you can either accept or ignore. You can choose to say that the science doesn’t apply to you and suffer the higher probability of long term effects, or you can listen and change.
There’s not a philosophical argument here.
Define ‘ready to start jumping’. I think they are ready to start jumping before their joints fuse, you think they aren’t. That’s what I’m getting about this. Why is one of us right?
NEITHER is right or wrong, as is the world of horses. EVERYONE DOES IT DIFFERENT (please go see my post about why I don’t understand the pelham connecters) we all have different opinions and views, and sadly nothing is concrete. look at farriers, in “my world” farriers do a shit job of trimming a hoof, and throwing pads and weighted shoes on the horse. there is NO balance taken into consideration, there is NO care about the actual horse. now when I show saddleseat my horses have VERY small weighted shoes, and pads only if needed. no stacks. no redic weights. My farrier is amazing, and will explain hoof balance to you, she will put a VERY small toe weight on, but that is it.
of course this is an entire different argument, I was just trying to give some “facts” behind my words. NO ONE is right or wrong. it is personal opinion.